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TorqueWrench10's avatar

I am conservative as they come and can prove it.

I agree basically entirely. For years I’ve hated the sort of bastard cruelty that characterizes much of the right and the practical matter of alienating many who would naturally be on our side.

I think you might stretch the point here and there, I believe in protecting the property rights of rich and poor (thou shalt not countenance a poor man in his cause).

All of that being said the left is significantly more sadistic. When CK was assassinated I’m still seeing celebration. There is no right wing equivalent, not really.

Alan Schmidt's avatar

> What bothered them was the removal of stigma. Free lunch without paperwork, without shame, without a public declaration of poverty—that was the real threat. They wanted need to be visible. They wanted it counted, documented, and punished. If a child ate quietly without being marked, something in the system had failed.

We could likely give every family in the country a box of staples like rice, bread, vegetables, oils, and a little meat for less expense than the current food stamp policy. Not ostentatious consumption, but functional. It would be both compassionate and fiscally conservative. How people react to such an idea is a good indication of their core ideology.

HamburgerToday's avatar

The reality is that the liberal left has given every reason for Appalachia and the Midwest and the Deep South to distrust any policy proposal.

We know the liberal-left hates us and wants to destroy us.

What disturbs you most is we know that your policies are going to be levers to destroy us, because whether we say so or not, we recognize that you're sadists.

Dan D.'s avatar

I thought you might be making some good points until I got to this line, "The same people who bristle at a neighbor asking for help will leap to defend a CEO gutting pensions." This is obviously nonsense.

I read a little more and realized you've mixed up self-directed altruism/charity with taxation in the face of violence. I am free to help my neighbor if I see fit - if they have a JetSki, 900" TV and a new Cadillac but are begging for candles when the power goes out, I can choose to let them suffer their own poor decisions if I want to.

The loan forgiveness nonsense was taxation at the end of a gun (the IRS is armed, BTW) and inflationary devaluation of the work product of my mind, not by my vote, but to earn cheap election votes from the grateful clowns who wasted years of their life at some for-profit scam college/uni. I definitely choose not to help them.

Dan D.

TorqueWrench10's avatar

The distinction between personal charity and government force you make is important, crucial. A lot of Catholics in particular can’t make the distinction for some reason. It’s not taking care of the poor unless force is involved. Personal charity doesn’t cut it for some reason.

That being said we as a society have hosed kids by propagandizing them for decades and then demanding they pay usury that can’t even be discharged through bankruptcy. It’s less about charity at that point and more about justice which is proper matter for government.

Gene Botkin's avatar

Let me tell you about a guy named Mitt Romney…

Michael Aronstein's avatar

This is a blanket statement along the lines of “Jews are the most unforgiving lenders and will take your property immediately after you miss one payment.” Conservatives come in all forms. You are in need of some first hand acquaintance with a world that is clearly foreign. Categorical statements about non-homogeneous groups are a great failing of otherwise intelligent people.

Gene Botkin's avatar

You don’t understand how generalizations work.